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I've been studying for about a year now...

by Meow921 in

i've been studying with the jw's for about a year now.

i know that by nature (or nurture!

) i have an addictive personality so i have tried to be real careful that i'm doing the right thing by getting involved with them.

You Know

Print out, show, and question them about some of the things you've found NOW, and guage their reaction.

Better yet, discuss it with someone who is familiar with the issues and teachings of apostates. I have been debating issues related to my faith for years and I can tell you for a fact that there is nothing the apostates have that can stand up to the truth.

With all their talk about what they have being the truth, instead of offering answers they'll quickly move to the scare tactics of it being apostate literature or that it's inspired by demons or people who only want to bring you down or seperate you from Jehovah's "fine arrangement".

Which, of course, happens to be true.

Stick to the issues you brought out and remind them that if what they have is the "real truth", one should not be afraid of other literature and that it should be able to withstand some scrutiny.

That is typical apostate reasoning and it goes directly counter to the Bible's counsel, such as Paul's words at 1 Timothy 6:3-5, which reads: " If any man teaches other doctrine and does not assent to healthful words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, nor to the teaching that accords with godly devotion, he is puffed up with pride not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words. From these things spring envy, strife, abusive speeches, wicked suspicions, violent disputes about trifles on the part of men corrupted in mind and despoiled of the truth." Apostates have absolutely nothing of value to offer you. They only want to corrupt you. Like I told you, many of the XJWs on this board are extremely immoral and corrupt but they are so puffed up with arrogance that they also try to pass themselves off as experts on matters of spiritual truth.

Ask those you are studying with about their policies on disassociating, disfellowshipping, being labeled an apostate or shunning, and you'll see why.

They will be more than happy to show you what the Scripture say in that regard. We have nothing to hide in that respect.

There's a reason that most of them are some 30 or 40 years older than you. They've spent a lifetime "waiting on Jehovah",

That's nothing to be ashamed of.

Those who question too much are kicked to the curb, cut off from the support system they've come to depend on.

The responsibility of Christian elders is to protect Jehovah's people from predatory individuals who are intent on sowing seeds of doubt among others. But, no one who has sincere doubts is disfellowshipped. We are always willing to work with friends who may have developed doubts. But the Scriptures are pretty clear about how to handle those who are intent on stumbling others. No organization is obligated to put up with individulas who foment discord and suspicion among others. The curbside is where they belong. / You Know

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I've been studying for about a year now...

by Meow921 in

i've been studying with the jw's for about a year now.

i know that by nature (or nurture!

) i have an addictive personality so i have tried to be real careful that i'm doing the right thing by getting involved with them.

You Know

Bible Examiner says:

Don't believe it?? Then join! And we'll see you back here in about 15-20 years, lamenting about your wasted years.

Is that so? I have been one of Jehovah's Witnesses for over 25 years and I don't feel that any of it has been wasted years. But, if you feel that you know the real truth about Jehovah and that Jehovah's Witnesses don't have the truth, then you should by all means stand up for what you think is true. Your continuing to lurk among us only pretending to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses is not an admirable thing to do and gives evidence that you are in reality a very weak-minded and cowardly individual who would rather live a lie than stand up for his convictions. Why should anyone give any credence to the jaundiced opinions of such spineless individuals? / You Know

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I've been studying for about a year now...

by Meow921 in

i've been studying with the jw's for about a year now.

i know that by nature (or nurture!

) i have an addictive personality so i have tried to be real careful that i'm doing the right thing by getting involved with them.

You Know

One of the spiritual pitfalls you are up against is kindly outlined for you in God's word in the 2nd chapter of 2 Peter as well as in the letter of Jude. You should carefully read 2 Peter 2:17-19. In part it says: "For they utter swelling expressions of no profit, and by the desires of the flesh and by loose habits they intice those who are just escaping from people who conduct themselves in error. While they are promising them freedom, they themselves are existing as slave of corruption. For whoever is overcome by another is enslaved by this one."

That exactly describes those who are apostate Jehovah's Witnesses. Think about it. They want you to have the impression that they are freedom fighters who are trying to save you from being sucked into a devilish cult. Yet your own observations of the organization tell you that such is not the case. They "utter swelling expressions of no profit" because they only pretend to have some special insight into the truth and they desperately want to plant a seed of doubt in your mind in order to wreck your spirituality. However, just as the Scripture says that they entice others through the "desires of the flesh and by loose habits" it is a fact that many if not most of the posters on this board are extremely immoral. Many are drug users, drunkards, and fornicators, homosexuals and perverts. And if they are not they at least support and encourage those who are and congratulate anyone who flauts decency and morality. From Jehovah's standpoint they are mere unreasoning animalistic beasts. That's why verse 22 likens them to dogs that have returned to lapping up their own vomit.

The reason that you are so vulnerable is because of your inexperience in these matters. You are as the scripture says: "just escaping from people who conduct themselves in error." So, there are a lot of things that you don't know, and apostates want to take advantage of your spiritual weakness to try and lure you into their trap. The demons know that it is much harder to entrap those who have years of experince in dealing with the matters of the spirit. You would be wise not to listen to apostate Jehovah's Witnesses until you are really firm in the faith and confident of who Jehovah is and what He is up to.

/ You Know

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Out with a bang....plus Elders (Gestapo) visit....

by TheApostleAK in

jw
friends

just da'd myself the other day...announcement tonight.. -------------------------------.

alan xxxxxxxxxx.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

You Know

The teachings I am repudiating mainly have to do with the Organisation, attitudes to the Bible, Christ's mediatorship and the New Covenant, Interpretation of the “Little Flock” and “Other Sheep”, Jeremiahs 70 year prophesy, Dan 1:1 & 2:1, Rev 7:15, The name “Jehovah” in the Greek Scriptures, Shunning and a few other things.

TRANSLATION: In short, now that I have begun thinking for myself, I have decided to become a disciple of Ray Franz. LOL / You Know

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"ARMAGEDDON COULD HAPPEN"

by You Know in

even as apostate dubs plan their next apostofest, world leaders speak of the very real possibility of an event so dreaded that they are evoking the image of the biblical armageddon.

in the wake of the anglo-american policy revision of recklessly targeting various nations with the threat of a first-strike nuclear attack, it appears that iraq has been singled out as the first on the hit list.

in response to the increasing drum beat of war against the poster boy of evil, "sodom" hussian, the jordanian king has warned that an attack upon iraq may unleash uncontrollable destructive forces.

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You could walk out of your house and get struck by a meteorite.

That's true. But the odds against that happening are astronomical. But it can happen.
Click Here >> http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/cfa/ep/meteor/meteor3.html

On the other hand, it is quite likely that there will be a nuclear exchange of some sort. The atomic scientists set their famous doomsday clock for seven 'til nuclear midnight.
Click Here> http://www.bullatomsci.org/clock.html

Worse yet, we've got psychotic angels ruling the world and they know that Jehovah's clock is about ready to strike midnight. That makes some sort of WMD holocaust extremely likely and Armageddon an absolute certainty. / You Know

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"ARMAGEDDON COULD HAPPEN"

by You Know in

even as apostate dubs plan their next apostofest, world leaders speak of the very real possibility of an event so dreaded that they are evoking the image of the biblical armageddon.

in the wake of the anglo-american policy revision of recklessly targeting various nations with the threat of a first-strike nuclear attack, it appears that iraq has been singled out as the first on the hit list.

in response to the increasing drum beat of war against the poster boy of evil, "sodom" hussian, the jordanian king has warned that an attack upon iraq may unleash uncontrollable destructive forces.

You Know

And just when the economy was about to recover, (wink, wink) the Iraqis are calling on all Arabs to cut off the oil spigot. Mean while LaRouche issues a brief press release on the present situation in the Middle East, likening it to the imfamous mass suicide at Masada. / You Know
> http://larouchein2004.net/pages/pressreleases/2002/020329israelsuicide.htm

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"ARMAGEDDON COULD HAPPEN"

by You Know in

even as apostate dubs plan their next apostofest, world leaders speak of the very real possibility of an event so dreaded that they are evoking the image of the biblical armageddon.

in the wake of the anglo-american policy revision of recklessly targeting various nations with the threat of a first-strike nuclear attack, it appears that iraq has been singled out as the first on the hit list.

in response to the increasing drum beat of war against the poster boy of evil, "sodom" hussian, the jordanian king has warned that an attack upon iraq may unleash uncontrollable destructive forces.

You Know

AVENGER: It probably hasn't occured to you, in your all-comsuming desire to avenge yourself upon the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, that there is really no reason why Jehovah should not, at some point, allow his enemies to destroy the Watchtower. When once our work is done why would we need the liability of a brick and mortar publishing agency? Besides, all that Jehovah has promised is the salvation of a spiritual organization. So, more than likely when the present phase of God's work is done he will toss the Watchtower to the dogs and you can do with it what you want.

They keep returning at evening time;
They keep barking like a dog
And go all around the city...
But you yourself, O Jehovah, will laugh at them;
You will hold all the nations in derision.Psalms 59

/ You Know

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"ARMAGEDDON COULD HAPPEN"

by You Know in

even as apostate dubs plan their next apostofest, world leaders speak of the very real possibility of an event so dreaded that they are evoking the image of the biblical armageddon.

in the wake of the anglo-american policy revision of recklessly targeting various nations with the threat of a first-strike nuclear attack, it appears that iraq has been singled out as the first on the hit list.

in response to the increasing drum beat of war against the poster boy of evil, "sodom" hussian, the jordanian king has warned that an attack upon iraq may unleash uncontrollable destructive forces.

You Know

but just the fact that you made those utterly ridiculous predictions detracts further from your already close to nonexistant credibility

They weren't ridiculous predictions. Unless you are a near total moron, which I don't discount, you can't not have noticed that the world is radically different today than it was back at the beginning of September. There is this little matter of America's New War that is threatening to go global. As for the money system crashing: Even the most delerious bull market lunatic realized that the financial system was tottering on the edge of disaster just a few months back. And it still is for that matter. That you would characterize as "utterly ridiculous" any suggestion that the system was on the brink of failure only indicates the level of your intellectual dishonesty and moral depravity. Apparently, Allan Greenspan knew full well that his system was facing doom and that's why he deemed such drastic measures were in order as lowering the funds rate to near zero and using other means to pump liquidity like there was no tomorrow, because there isn't. They are only concerned about holding it together for a few more days or weeks. At the last Fed meeting they were even considering monetizing the stock market to try and prop things up if all else failed. / You Know

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"ARMAGEDDON COULD HAPPEN"

by You Know in

even as apostate dubs plan their next apostofest, world leaders speak of the very real possibility of an event so dreaded that they are evoking the image of the biblical armageddon.

in the wake of the anglo-american policy revision of recklessly targeting various nations with the threat of a first-strike nuclear attack, it appears that iraq has been singled out as the first on the hit list.

in response to the increasing drum beat of war against the poster boy of evil, "sodom" hussian, the jordanian king has warned that an attack upon iraq may unleash uncontrollable destructive forces.

You Know

those certainties fell by the wayside, didnt they?

I never said those things were certainties. That's your spin. I did say, though, if you recall back in the first week of September that there would either likely be a financial crash or a war. And that's what we have now---an ongoing war and preparation for war. What is certain though is Jehovah's word concerning the war of Armageddon. And, I suppose another absolute certainty is that ridiculers will continue to ridicule reality up until the moment when the war erupts. / You Know

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"ARMAGEDDON COULD HAPPEN"

by You Know in

even as apostate dubs plan their next apostofest, world leaders speak of the very real possibility of an event so dreaded that they are evoking the image of the biblical armageddon.

in the wake of the anglo-american policy revision of recklessly targeting various nations with the threat of a first-strike nuclear attack, it appears that iraq has been singled out as the first on the hit list.

in response to the increasing drum beat of war against the poster boy of evil, "sodom" hussian, the jordanian king has warned that an attack upon iraq may unleash uncontrollable destructive forces.

You Know

Quite possibly Armageddon may simply be brought about by man literally eating himself out of house and home.

That's not possible. The Bible refers to Armageddon as the result of the demonic expressions going forth from their political apparatus, resulting in the gathering of all the kings of the earth to "the war of the great day of God Almighty." The last link I provided gives some indication that there is indeed a huge military buildup going on earthwide in preparation for all out war. No amout of ridicule can keep these things from coming about. / You Know